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Lots of discussion, much of it great! Usually, I try to respond to specific comments, but today I won't do it, because I don't yet have a factual basis for doing so. For people asking about the details of what I plan to do with China, they are, of course, in my books -- a popular (and more up to date) version in End Times, while quantitative and modeling results in Ages of Discord. I am planning to do the same for China, but with several differences, of course. One is data, as everybody acknowledges. The other is a completely different structure of power and elite formation. We shall see.

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Everyone is trying...or claims to already know...how China works and where it's going. One could learn a bit from Fei Xiaotong on the matter.

Mr. Fei claims that, in Western societies, individuals form organizations, whereby each organizations has its own boundaries defining who is part of the organization and who is not, and the relation of each individual to the organization is the same. All members in an organization are equivalent. He calls this an “organizational mode of association” (tuantigeju).

In China, on the contrary, each individual is claimed to be surrounded by a series of concentric circles, produced by one’s own social influence. Each web of social relations has a self as its center. Each circle spreading out from the center becomes more distant and at the same time more insignificant. Everyone’s circles are interrelated, and one touches different circles at different times and places. On different occasions, one’s own social network comes into contact with someone else’s. He calls this mode of organization a “differential mode of association” (chaxugeju).

A practical consequence of this difference in social networking is that, in the West, people struggle for their rights, while in China, people seek connections in higher places and do things for the sake of friendship which elevates their "rights" and/or economic/political power. Another consequence is that, in China, private selfishness is justified by moving toward the state: both public officials and private persons use the same conception of the social order to define the context of their action. This is different from a Western society, in which public and private rights and obligations belong to a different ‘organization’ and are divided distinctly.

A “differential mode of association” does not allow for individual rights to be an issue at all, and social morality makes sense only in terms of the personal connections.

I think I got that right. It's helpful in trying to understand China, to begin by trying to understand relationships. It's different here. It's not like America.

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