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Vladimir Dinets's avatar

Obviously, Ukraine doesn't have such a choice. Any treaty with Russia would last for a couple years at best before the next invasion. Giving away Donbass would mean ceding a well-fortified defense line for nothing. It would also mean immediate removal of Zelensky by the next Maidan.

In reality, with the current ratio of losses (between 1:5 and 1:10 according to different estimates), it's not at all clear which country's mobilization resource will be depleted first. Nor is it clear what will collapse first: Ukrainian front line or Russian economy.

The only realistic way to end this conflict is to tighten the sanctions and provide Ukraine with much larger military aid, particularly long-range offensive weapons, to make the war unsustainable for Russia as quickly as possible.

Oh, and one more thing: Ukraine has never been, and couldn't be, a threat for Russia, even if it did join NATO. The only reason Russia is so obsessed with Ukrainian membership in NATO is that it would make future invasions by Russia much more difficult. The real reasons for this war are (1) Putin sees Ukraine as a bunch of lost Russian provinces, (2) he feels threatened by the very existence of a Slavic democracy at his border, and (3) he expected a quick win to forever cement his popularity among the Russian people, who are obsessively imperialistic and always have been.

Peter Turchin's avatar

Well, this post generated a lot of heat, as might be expected given the emotionally charged topic.

I asked a researcher in my group, https://substack.com/@jakobzsa , to feed the comments (as of this morning) to an LLM (Gemini) and sort comments by three questions:

1. Is Turchin biased?

2. What was the root cause of conflict: Russia or NATO/West?

3. Who will win?

See the AI summary below.

Approximately, I see that commenters tend to coalesce into two main groups. One believes that Turchin is biased, that Russia was the cause of the war, and that Russia is gong to lose. Thus, of the 9 commenters who blamed Russia for this war, 7 thought that the winner will be Ukraine/NATO (and 2 for stalemate/unclear). None of the others thought that Ukraine/NATO would win. Six of them opined that Turchin was biased (out of 9 total; the other 3 were neutral on who is to blame and what will be the war outcome).

OK, my goal in this Substack is to present empirically based opinions. On two issues of contention, we simply need to wait and see:

1. Who wins the war, whether Ukraine/NATO, Russia, or stalemate should be clear in a year or so. Let's say by the end of 2026.

2. Whether Putin intends to attack other countries beyond Ukraine, or not, will become clear by the year when he retires (in whatever way).

3. On whether Turchin is biased -- unfortunately, you will have to make up your own mind based on my writings before and after.

So now we wait and see.

AI's summary

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Analysis of Turchin’s Perceived Bias

The perception of the author’s objectivity is sharply divided. While many commenters did not directly address Turchin’s bias, those who did split into two opposing camps: critics who see him as a biased propagandist, and supporters who regard him as a rational realist.

• Neutral / Not Addressed: 15 commenters (48%)

• Turchin is Biased: 9 commenters (29%)

• Turchin is Unbiased: 7 commenters (23%)

Turchin is Biased

• Accusations of abandoning scientific integrity in favor of a pro-Russian narrative.

• One commenter calls it "tragic to see his scientific integrity being destroyed by his pro-Russian bias."

• Another says it is "sad that Turchin reduced himself to spreading war propaganda."

• A critic rejects the realist school of thought altogether, arguing that analysts who only count physical assets are "totally ignorant of the intangible aspects of war."

Turchin is Unbiased

• Supporters view him as a voice of reason against an emotional and propagandistic mainstream.

• One praises him for standing against the "delusional and emotionalist point of view."

• Another argues that "years of dishonest media coverage have created a multitude... of people lacking in the building blocks necessary to use reason," implicitly endorsing Turchin’s position as rational.

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Analysis of the Cause of the War

Commenters diverge sharply on the root cause of the conflict. The largest group blames the West and NATO, while others either blame Russia exclusively or acknowledge elements of both sides.

• The West/NATO Caused the War: 12 commenters (39%)

• Neutral / Elements of Both: 10 commenters (32%)

• Russia Caused the War: 9 commenters (29%)

The West/NATO Caused the War

• Western provocation is framed as the primary cause.

• Claims include "years of Ukrainian Nazis killing Russians in Ukraine" and repeated broken peace treaties.

• One commenter says Russia endured "provocation from near and far" until it became unbearable.

• Another asserts that "Russia’s invasion of Ukraine occurred because NATO’s eastward expansion violated its security interests."

Russia Caused the War

• These commenters attribute the war solely to Russian aggression and Putin’s ambitions.

• Key reasons cited:

1. Putin sees Ukraine as "lost Russian provinces."

2. He feels threatened by a Slavic democracy on Russia’s border.

3. He expected a quick win.

• They also argue that peace treaties would be meaningless, as Russia would "use any cessation of hostilities to regroup and rearm, then attack on its own terms."

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Analysis of the Predicted Winner

The outcome of the war remains a subject of contention. The most common view is that the result will be unclear or a stalemate. Among those predicting a decisive outcome, more expect Russia to win than Ukraine.

• Stalemate / Unclear: 13 commenters (42%)

• Russia will Win: 11 commenters (35%)

• Ukraine/NATO will Win: 7 commenters (23%)

Russia will Win

• Predictors cite Ukraine’s demographic decline and societal collapse as insurmountable problems.

• One warns the current path is "leading to the complete collapse of Ukrainian culture and society and the meaningless deaths of millions of young men."

• Others call continued resistance a dangerous delay of the inevitable, arguing that "believing otherwise for too long will cost lives and bargaining chips during negotiations."

Ukraine/NATO will Win

• This minority sees Russia as fundamentally weak.

• Arguments include that "Russia is a paper tiger" and that its "top-down command doctrine is no match for Ukraine’s NATO-influenced doctrine."

• They believe Ukraine can prevail by targeting infrastructure: "If Ukraine continues bombing the hell out of Russia’s energy/fossil fuel infrastructure, Russia will lose, and lose hard."

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