War in Ukraine VIII
Anatol Lieven and John Mearsheimer on the conflict
Anatol Lieven is a British journalist, author, and policy analyst. I’ve been following his work for more than 20 years. In my 2005 book War and Peace War, for example, I use his excellent analysis of two faces of American nationalism, the “American Creed” and the “Jacksonian Nationalism.” I also recommend his other books
Pakistan: A Hard Country (2011)
Ukraine and Russia: A Fraternal Rivalry (1999)
As an aside, Anatol’s brother, Dominic Lieven is a historian of Russia, and I recommend a great book by him, Russia against Napoleon.
Back to Anatol, his geopolitical analysis is well worth reading. In his latest opinion, Why Trump gets it right on Ukraine peace, he makes the following points:
1. Russia is winning the war.
2. It would be completely illogical for Putin to agree to an unconditional ceasefire, while Russians are advancing (and more importantly, I’d add, are grinding down the Ukrainian army).
3. European heads of state are delusional in refusing to recognize the first two points.
4. The West cannot provide soldiers to supplement Ukraine’s increasingly depleted forces. Without US (where Trump has repeated many times that he will not use American troops in this conflict), the Europeans simply don’t have enough troops. In any case, they are not prepared to go to war to defend Ukraine.
5. Trump is reportedly advising the Ukrainian government to accept Russia’s demand for the Ukrainian army to withdraw from the parts of Donbass that they still hold.
6. “They are refusing to do so, which is very understandable, but also mistaken if by accepting this they can get a stable peace and Russian compromise in other areas … For realistically speaking, the Ukrainian army seem to be in the process of losing this land anyway.”
7. Insisting on perpetuating the conflict is either insanity or duplicity, because every European government has stated that they are not prepared to go to war to defend Ukraine.
Note that Lieven is far from a Russian apologist. Here’s what he said in an interview shortly after the beginning of the war: “The Russian government has committed a very grave crime under international law by invading Ukraine. I think it’s also made a terrible mistake.”
Another thinker who holds similar views is John Mearsheimer. No reasonable person can doubt his credentials as an American patriot. After all, there are few professors of international relations who enlisted in the US Army when 17, then went to graduate from West Point and serve as an officer in the Air Force.
Like Lieven, Mearsheimer is also a realist (in fact, he is best known as the author of the offensive realism theory). And Mearsheimer has been recently much in evidence in the media (mostly speaking to alternative media, but increasingly also in the MSM). You can listen to his opinion about Ukraine’s future in a recent appearance on UnHerd with Freddie Sayers. Similarly to Lieven, Mearsheimer argues that there are only two options: a bad one (Ukraine must cut a deal now, accepting most Russian demands) and a worse one (continuing the war, thousands more casualties, and losing more land in the end).
That particular UnHerd episode paired Mearsheimer with Matthew Syed, a columnist for the Sunday Times in London, who in a recent article, called Mearsheimer “morally deranged.” Sayers frames the disagreement between Mearsheimer and Syed as “realism” versus “idealism.” But a better word to describe Syed’s position, in my view, is “emotionalist.” In the column he keeps saying things like “I was sickened to the stomach,” “I feel nauseated,” “feel despair.”
Of course, feeling emotions is human; I am not saying that we should strive to become emotionless robots. But humans also have (and should use) reason. Emotions help us set goals, but reason makes it possible to achieve those goals. The alternative is to enter a self-constructed delusionary world—a sure road to ruin.
It’s darkly ironic that Mearsheimer is accused of being morally deranged. In September 2014 he published an article in Foreign Affairs, "Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West's Fault: The Liberal Delusions That Provoked Putin". The last paragraph of this article is worth quoting in full:
The United States and its European allies now face a choice on Ukraine. They can continue their current policy, which will exacerbate hostilities with Russia and devastate Ukraine in the process—a scenario in which everyone would come out a loser. Or they can switch gears and work to create a prosperous but neutral Ukraine, one that does not threaten Russia and allows the West to repair its relations with Moscow. With that approach, all sides would win.
Had Western leaders listened to Mearsheimer and a number of other non-delusional thinkers (e.g., George Kennan, see his 1997 NYT article, A Fateful Error), there wouldn’t be a million casualties and Crimea would be the only territorial loss to Ukraine (with Donbass staying within Ukraine in some sort of autonomy status). Was attempting to prevent this outcome “morally deranged”?
Cassandra had a gift of prophecy, but was cursed, so that nobody believed her. Source
I can sympathize with Mearsheimer’s predicament. My job in this Substack is to strive for a dispassionate, even-handed analysis, as there are plenty of “emotionalist” takes elsewhere. This attitude seems to be off-putting to some journalists. As an example, in his FT 2024 piece Henry Mance wrote, “There is something disconcerting in Turchin’s willingness to discuss the fate of societies in coldly amoral terms.” But at least he didn’t call me “morally depraved.”



Obviously, Ukraine doesn't have such a choice. Any treaty with Russia would last for a couple years at best before the next invasion. Giving away Donbass would mean ceding a well-fortified defense line for nothing. It would also mean immediate removal of Zelensky by the next Maidan.
In reality, with the current ratio of losses (between 1:5 and 1:10 according to different estimates), it's not at all clear which country's mobilization resource will be depleted first. Nor is it clear what will collapse first: Ukrainian front line or Russian economy.
The only realistic way to end this conflict is to tighten the sanctions and provide Ukraine with much larger military aid, particularly long-range offensive weapons, to make the war unsustainable for Russia as quickly as possible.
Oh, and one more thing: Ukraine has never been, and couldn't be, a threat for Russia, even if it did join NATO. The only reason Russia is so obsessed with Ukrainian membership in NATO is that it would make future invasions by Russia much more difficult. The real reasons for this war are (1) Putin sees Ukraine as a bunch of lost Russian provinces, (2) he feels threatened by the very existence of a Slavic democracy at his border, and (3) he expected a quick win to forever cement his popularity among the Russian people, who are obsessively imperialistic and always have been.
Well, this post generated a lot of heat, as might be expected given the emotionally charged topic.
I asked a researcher in my group, https://substack.com/@jakobzsa , to feed the comments (as of this morning) to an LLM (Gemini) and sort comments by three questions:
1. Is Turchin biased?
2. What was the root cause of conflict: Russia or NATO/West?
3. Who will win?
See the AI summary below.
Approximately, I see that commenters tend to coalesce into two main groups. One believes that Turchin is biased, that Russia was the cause of the war, and that Russia is gong to lose. Thus, of the 9 commenters who blamed Russia for this war, 7 thought that the winner will be Ukraine/NATO (and 2 for stalemate/unclear). None of the others thought that Ukraine/NATO would win. Six of them opined that Turchin was biased (out of 9 total; the other 3 were neutral on who is to blame and what will be the war outcome).
OK, my goal in this Substack is to present empirically based opinions. On two issues of contention, we simply need to wait and see:
1. Who wins the war, whether Ukraine/NATO, Russia, or stalemate should be clear in a year or so. Let's say by the end of 2026.
2. Whether Putin intends to attack other countries beyond Ukraine, or not, will become clear by the year when he retires (in whatever way).
3. On whether Turchin is biased -- unfortunately, you will have to make up your own mind based on my writings before and after.
So now we wait and see.
AI's summary
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Analysis of Turchin’s Perceived Bias
The perception of the author’s objectivity is sharply divided. While many commenters did not directly address Turchin’s bias, those who did split into two opposing camps: critics who see him as a biased propagandist, and supporters who regard him as a rational realist.
• Neutral / Not Addressed: 15 commenters (48%)
• Turchin is Biased: 9 commenters (29%)
• Turchin is Unbiased: 7 commenters (23%)
Turchin is Biased
• Accusations of abandoning scientific integrity in favor of a pro-Russian narrative.
• One commenter calls it "tragic to see his scientific integrity being destroyed by his pro-Russian bias."
• Another says it is "sad that Turchin reduced himself to spreading war propaganda."
• A critic rejects the realist school of thought altogether, arguing that analysts who only count physical assets are "totally ignorant of the intangible aspects of war."
Turchin is Unbiased
• Supporters view him as a voice of reason against an emotional and propagandistic mainstream.
• One praises him for standing against the "delusional and emotionalist point of view."
• Another argues that "years of dishonest media coverage have created a multitude... of people lacking in the building blocks necessary to use reason," implicitly endorsing Turchin’s position as rational.
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Analysis of the Cause of the War
Commenters diverge sharply on the root cause of the conflict. The largest group blames the West and NATO, while others either blame Russia exclusively or acknowledge elements of both sides.
• The West/NATO Caused the War: 12 commenters (39%)
• Neutral / Elements of Both: 10 commenters (32%)
• Russia Caused the War: 9 commenters (29%)
The West/NATO Caused the War
• Western provocation is framed as the primary cause.
• Claims include "years of Ukrainian Nazis killing Russians in Ukraine" and repeated broken peace treaties.
• One commenter says Russia endured "provocation from near and far" until it became unbearable.
• Another asserts that "Russia’s invasion of Ukraine occurred because NATO’s eastward expansion violated its security interests."
Russia Caused the War
• These commenters attribute the war solely to Russian aggression and Putin’s ambitions.
• Key reasons cited:
1. Putin sees Ukraine as "lost Russian provinces."
2. He feels threatened by a Slavic democracy on Russia’s border.
3. He expected a quick win.
• They also argue that peace treaties would be meaningless, as Russia would "use any cessation of hostilities to regroup and rearm, then attack on its own terms."
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Analysis of the Predicted Winner
The outcome of the war remains a subject of contention. The most common view is that the result will be unclear or a stalemate. Among those predicting a decisive outcome, more expect Russia to win than Ukraine.
• Stalemate / Unclear: 13 commenters (42%)
• Russia will Win: 11 commenters (35%)
• Ukraine/NATO will Win: 7 commenters (23%)
Russia will Win
• Predictors cite Ukraine’s demographic decline and societal collapse as insurmountable problems.
• One warns the current path is "leading to the complete collapse of Ukrainian culture and society and the meaningless deaths of millions of young men."
• Others call continued resistance a dangerous delay of the inevitable, arguing that "believing otherwise for too long will cost lives and bargaining chips during negotiations."
Ukraine/NATO will Win
• This minority sees Russia as fundamentally weak.
• Arguments include that "Russia is a paper tiger" and that its "top-down command doctrine is no match for Ukraine’s NATO-influenced doctrine."
• They believe Ukraine can prevail by targeting infrastructure: "If Ukraine continues bombing the hell out of Russia’s energy/fossil fuel infrastructure, Russia will lose, and lose hard."