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Roger's avatar

"And that’s how massive population growth, which turned on the wealth pump, created immiseration, elite overproduction, and—ultimately—state collapse."

I'm trying to wrap my head around this to apply this to today and also to look at the Pop growth>Wealth pump>Immiseration>Elite overproduction>State collapse mechanism for possible ways to intervene.

Now almost all developed countries have either had a declining or steady populations, if not counting immigration, so has the population growth already occurred, or do we count immigration and the population is still growing?

Or, is the way to look at it for our current time, there was steady population growth then a baby boom after WW II, which lead to a wealth pump starting in the 80s going through today, elite overproduction maybe also starting in the 2000s, immiseration kicking in with the 2008 financial collapse, and state collapse still avoidable for now?

Is shutting off the wealth pump the key to avoiding collapse? If so, how will that be done? Changes in the tax code, abundance/life-of-the-mind through technology/AI/VR, UBI, stop funding wars at high levels, some combination, something else?

Is stopping elite overproduction a way to avoid collapse? If so, what would that look like?

Andy's avatar

I really enjoy this perspective. It's not looking good for us. A question though: 24.2/4.9 = 4.9 not 7.4. Was one of the figures wrong? You're positing that US in a worse position now than the French state was immediately prior to the revolution, right? 4.9 is still worse than 4, but should the figure actualy be 7.4?

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